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He was Canadian minister of Defense in 1960s, ruling
over the country’s armed forces during the time of the Cold War – and when he
retired he publicly stated that we are not alone in the universe, and some
guests from outer space actually live here, on planet Earth. Is this fantasy?
Is someone actually watching us? Today we ask the man who says UFOs are a
serious business – Paul Hellyer.
Sophie Shevardnadze: Our guest today is the
Honorable Paul Hellyer, former minister of Defense of Canada, and he believes
that life forms from space are present on Earth. It’s great to have you on our
show. Why do you say that UFOs are as real as airplanes flying over our heads?
Paul Hellyer: Because I know that they are. As a matter of
fact, they’ve been visiting our planet for thousands of years and one of the
cases that would interest you most if you give me two or three minutes to
answer is that during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation
flying south from Russia across Europe, and Supreme Allied Command was very
concerned and about ready to press the “Panic” button when they turned around
and went back over the North Pole. They decided to do an investigation and they
investigated for 3 years and they decided that, with absolute certainty, four
species - at least – had been visiting this planet for thousands of years. We
have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in
the last few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very
concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again, and because the
Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other people in the Cosmos,
they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic
weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for them as well.
SS: No
serious scientist has ever publicly confirmed evidence of an encounter with
extra-terrestrials – why would scientists not confirm the facts if they exist?
PH: I’m
afraid they must go out of their way not to find out. Even if they do 10
percent of the amount of research I’ve done in the last 8 years they would be
as convinced as I am. I mean, they could do it even faster. Might take it a
little longer, when they didn’t have military background, but there are so many
wonderful books that tell these stories and they’ve been authenticated; the
sightings have been authenticated by more than one witness and also by radar,
and they have landed in various places around the world, including Russia.
There’s famous case there, I can’t remember the name of the place, but it was
widely reported at the time, a man wrote a book about it and then the French
bought the book rights so it wouldn’t be circulated around… There’s just so
much evidence, if anybody will take a time off to do a little bit of research
and study. Some people are interested and will take the time, and the others
just say “Oh, you know it’s just fantasy”. Since I’ve been public on this
subject I get probably three or four emails a week from all over the world,
from people who’ve actually witnessed sightings, and some of them who’ve
actually been on the ships, and some of them who’ve actually been transported
to another planet. This information… it is top secret in a way that governments
don’t talk about it, but if you listen to whistleblowers and to the people who
have worked in the industry, and who know what is going on, there’s just a lot
of information out there and it doesn’t take very long to get your hands on it.
SS: See, the problem is that some who report UFOs
sightings and alien abductions have been shown to make things up to be famous,
to make money – or just for a prank. How do we tell fiction from a fact?
PH: You
have to spend a lot of time trying to find…we use to say “separating wheat from
the chaff”, and it takes a lot of effort. When I was minister I got sighting
reports and when we checked them out, about 80 percent, 8 out of 10, were not
real, they were sights of Venus or of plasma or a dozen other things, but there
were 15 percent or 20 percent for which there was no explanation and they were
the genuine unidentified flying objects. One of the conferences I went to… it
was in Las Vegas… was promoted by chap who had written a book about crashes and
there were dozens and dozens of them and many of them very-very well
authenticated, so it would be impossible to read of that evidence and not come
to the conclusion that these vehicles were real.
SS: Have you ever had your own encounter with aliens?
PH: Not
encounter with aliens, no. I’ve seen a UFO, about 120 miles north of Toronto,
over Lake Muskoka, where I have a cottage. Two years ago, at Thanksgiving,
which is October, [my wife?] said that she wanted to go out and look at the
stars, so…I’m not much of a night man… but I put on my cap and went out with
her and she looked into the eastern sky and said, “There’s a star” and I turned
the other way and said, “Oh, there’s a much brighter one over here” and she
looked there and we watched it until our necks almost broke for about 20
minutes, and it was definitely a UFO because it could change position in the
sky by three or four degrees in three or four seconds. I checked out – there
were no satellites that could do that, a space station wasn’t going by and it
isn’t able to move that fast anyway and there was no other explanation except
that it was the real thing. Two days later I went down in the dark, got a
comfortable chair, and watched. It came back almost at the same spot and
entertained me for as long as I could take it. Then I went back to the cottage
but it was very interesting because it would drop down in the sky and then it
would roar back up and it would shift across a few degrees and do a circle and
come back at just an astronomical speed, since you know they travel very-very
fast.
SS: So does it just look like a falling star that falls
really quickly and then rises again? What does it look like?
PH: Well, it looked just like a star.
SS: It
looks just like a star?
PH: I
don’t know if you personally have ever read the Bible or not but I think the
star of Bethlehem was one of God’s flying saucers.
SS: You
also told me that people write you emails, three to five emails a week, and
they’ve actually been abducted or they had encounters with aliens. Do they
actually tell you what these aliens look like? I mean, everyone’s interested –
how would I know if I see an alien and he abducts me?
PH: First
question you have to ask is how many species are there? I used to think there
were between two and twelve. Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, who came to
Toronto a few years ago and had with dinner with us agreed there were something
around two and twelve, but the latest reports that I’ve been getting from
various sources are that there are about 80 different species and some of them
look just like us and they could walk down the street and you wouldn’t know if
you walked past one. They are what we call “Nordic blondes” and also the Tall
Whites who were actually working with the US air force in Nevada. They’re able
to get away with that, they had a couple of their ladies dressed as nuns go
into Las Vegas to shop and they weren’t detected. I have a friend who saw one
of the men walking along the street, he is somebody who can recognize that they
were different, and he did. Then there’s the Short Grey’s as they are called,
and they are the ones you see in most of the cartoons, they have very-very slim
arms and legs, they are very short, just a little over 5 feet, and they have a
great big head and great big brown eyes. But, there are different species and
you have to know that they are different species and know that they all are
different. If you saw the Short Greys you’d certainly know there’s something up
that you’ve never seen before, but if you saw one of the Nordic Blondes, you’d
probably say “Oh I wonder if she’s from Denmark or somewhere.”
SS: So these species that you are describing – are they
all different in terms of nice and mean? Are some of them nice and benevolent
and others nasty, how are they? Are they good to people on Earth or are they
here to harm them?
PH: It’s
a difficult question to answer, because they have different agendas and maybe
all of us on Earth should have the same agenda, but you couldn’t say, maybe,
that Russia and China and the US all had the same agenda at every turn, because
they don’t. I would say that nearly all are benign and benevolent and they do
want to help us, there may be one or two species which do not. That’s one of
the things I’m investigating at the moment, to see who they are, what they are
up to and what their agendas really are.
SS: These
extraterrestrial creatures – where did they come from and how did they get
here, to Earth?
PH: They
come from various places. For a long while I only knew about ones who came from
different star systems – the Pleadis, Zeta Reticuli and several other star
systems…but in the past few months I have met [those] who made me aware that
there are some in our star system, and that there are actually
extraterrestrials who live on a planet called Andromedia, which is one of the
moons of Saturn and that there are others on Venus and some on Mars and that
they may be interacting between themselves – I suspect that they are because
there is what is called a “Federation” of these people and they have rules. For
example, one of the rules is that they don’t interfere with our affairs unless
there are invited to – and that’s one of the reasons, probably, that we haven’t
seen more of them until very recently…
SS: But,
what do you mean, there are lots of people who want to interact with them,
there are a lot of people who actually want to see them and to know who they
are. What, do they need a special invitation to interact with us? What does it
mean – “they don’t want to interfere with our affairs”?
PH: They don’t want to tell us how to run our affairs, they have accepted
the fact that this is our planet, and that we have the right to run it, but
they are very-very concerned: they don’t think we are good stewards of our
planet, we’re clear cutting our forests, we’re polluting our rivers and our
lakes, and we’re dumping sewage in the oceans, and we’re doing all sorts of
things which are not what good stewards of their homes should be doing. They
don’t like that and they made it very clear. As a matter of fact they have
given us a warning.
SS: How?
PH: This
has come from more than one source…
SS: How have they made it clear, what have they done?
PH: They have talked to people. One of the chaps I’ve talked with about a
month ago was interacting with them in 1974, he and his brother, in Peru. They
were taken to Andromedia, teleported. They were told what people there think
and that we’re really wrecking our planet and in fact that something dreadful
is going to happen to it if we don’t smarten up and change our ways. We spend
too much time fighting each other, we spend too much money on military
expenditures, and not enough on feeding the poor and looking after the homeless
and the sick, and that we are polluting our waters and our air and that we’re playing
around with these exotic weapons, thermonuclear weapons and atomic weapons,
which have such devastating effects both on Earth and other areas of Cosmos.
They don’t like that and that’s the reason they would like to work with us, to
teach us better ways, but only, I think, with our consent. They work through
individuals; they try and pick out individuals who won’t be frightened to death
by them, because they can get you quite afraid. One of the cases I’m familiar
with was with the Tall Whites in Nevada, where the US airman working with them
was just frightened to death of them, and one, Charles Hall, rescued the
daughter of one of the high-up people in the Tall White and as result became
very good friends with the mother, and as soon as they could trust each other,
they had a wonderful relationship. He wrote a book about it, called “Millennial
Hospitality” – it tells you how you go through these stages, of being scared
out of your wits, but then, when you establish a trust and a working
relationship –you can have the same kind of relationship that you would have
with someone here on Earth.
SS: But
here’s what I’m thinking: if you are outing their presence, which is clearly
not what they want, since they are hiding, why aren’t you afraid of
repercussions? You are obviously stating that they are here, among us, telling
me all these species that exist…
PH: They are here among us and I’m not afraid because in most cases, as far
as technology is concerned, they are light years ahead of us, and we have
learned a lot of things from them. A lot of the things we use today we got from
them, you know – led lights and microchips and Kevlar vests and all sorts
things that we got from their technology and we could get a lot more too,
especially in the fields of medicine and agriculture if we would go about it
peacefully. But, I think, maybe some of our people are more interested in
getting the military technology, and I think that’s wrong-headed, and that’s
one of the things that we are going to have to change, because we’re going to
have to work together, all of us, everywhere on the planet.
SS: You’ve mentioned military technology and
swapping technologies and barters in-between aliens and people in American
government. I want to ask you as a former minister of Defense of Canada – is
interstellar war a possibility? Should we be creating a Star Wars force to
defend ourselves from possible invasion or something like that?
PH: I
think it’s a possibility, but it’s a possibility especially if we shoot down
every UFO that comes into our airspace without asking who they are and what
they want. Right from the beginning we started scrambling planes, trying to
shoot them down, but their technology was superior enough that we weren’t able
to get away with it, certainly not for a long while. During that period of time
they could have taken us over without any trouble if they wanted to, so I
think, rather than developing our own Star Wars to protect ourselves against
them, we should work with the benign species that are of a vast majority and
work together, and rely largely on them, of course, and cooperate, so that we
would be contributing something at the same time; I don’t think there’s any
point in us developing a galactic force that would tempt us to ride on our own
and get into mischief, which is one of the things that some of them are
concerned about.
SS: What
do you expect to happen if people start to believe in alien existence on Earth?
Things are definitely going to change: our lives aren’t going to be the same
anymore.
PH: I hope that’s the case. I am all for full
disclosure, and I’m going to push very hard for full disclosure in the book I’m
writing, to give some reasons for it, things that we really have to know and
have a right to know. Our future as a species, and here I mean all of the
species in the world, is potentially at risk if we don’t figure what’s going on
and work together to try and make life more amenable for all of us, and to work
with our neighbors from other planets as well.
SS: Still, I’m thinking to myself – if they’ve been here
for such a long time as you say, and they are interested in helping humanity,
as you say, why is our world such a mess? If you want help someone, you just
help someone, you don’t wait for that someone to invite you to help that someone,
no?
PH: I
think parents sometime say to their children – “this is what you should do”,
but that doesn’t mean children are going to do it, does it? The Cosmos is based
on free choice. We’re given the option of making mistakes, of making wrong
choices, and I guess, what bothers some of us, is that we’ve made too many
wrong choices, and not enough right choices. So we’re going to have to start
switching our priorities and stop spending so much time and effort on weapons
to kill each other, or to dominate each other, and spend a lot more time on how
to help each other to have a better life and a more just society, and life
which is healthier. When the healthcare is better and when the food
distribution is better and when the air is cleaner and water is cleaner and all
of those things that are waiting to be done, if we just get together and, as we
say, row in the right direction, in the same direction, it’s possible, but it’s
a tall order and so far we haven’t done it. My thesis is that we have to do it,
we have to start doing it right away.
SS: Thank
you so much for this interesting interview and insight on extraterrestrial
life. That was Paul Hellyer, a former Canadian minister of Defense, who says
aliens exist and live among us on Earth. That’s all the time we have for today,
I will see you in the next edition of Sophie&Co.
He
was Canadian minister of Defense in 1960s, ruling over the country’s
armed forces during the time of the Cold War – and when he retired he
publicly stated that we are not alone in the universe, and some guests
from outer space actually live here, on planet Earth. Is this fantasy?
Is someone actually watching us? Today we ask the man who says UFOs are a
serious business – Paul Hellyer.
